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Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Tobias

Tobias — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:58:48 +0000

Eh, nevermind, sorry. I’m merely upset when it’s not functional. Gnome-panel didn’t work properly because things like nm-applet only worked with indicators, but indicators were not available because they remained unported. So it looked pretty degraded from before.

Now Gnome 3 is partly up-to-date and partly 6+ months old and some things don’t work properly, e.g., media-keys.

The delta is just getting bigger and bigger and I often don’t see the point. It’s not modular anymore when there are intrusive patches everywhere that co-depend. For instance, I looked at gnome-control-center today with it’s 30 or so patches. Why does it need category headers and an additional top-level of icons. It’s pointless. It never gets upstreamed and widens the gap between up and downstream, technically and socially.

I’m thankful for Gnome3 PPA and ricotz/testing, because those give a hint of vanilla flavor.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Jeremy Bicha

Jeremy Bicha — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:57:59 +0000

Wow, it’s just software, no need to get this angry over it.

How is GNOME Shell on Ubuntu degraded? Ubuntu doesn’t really patch GNOME Shell.

Last cycle, we shipped gnome-panel without Ubuntu customization patches and it was pretty awful. The default notification area just isn’t adequate. I don’t understand how you can be upset at the indicators not being including for GNOME Classic and upset at Ubuntu modifying vanilla GNOME.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Tobias

Tobias — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:45:51 +0000

Too *BLEEP* late. Ted Gould dropped the ball. Fallback session had been non-functional for one and a half releases because of this.

I’m using Gnome Shell now. Unfortunately also that is degraded in many respects due to the oftentimes uninspired and counter-productive Ubuntu customization and theming and cruftization patches, which are so numerous that important packages like gnome-control-center are held back on 6 months old versions.

Whatever happened to the stracciatella idea? It means vanilla Gnome with just the absolutely necessary Ubuntu chocolate sprinkles. Not this gratuitous ladling on of pointless high-calorie branding sauce.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Jo-Erlend Schinstad

Jo-Erlend Schinstad — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:58:15 +0000

Just tested it, and it’s really coming along. It works much better with Radiance than Ambiance, though there’s still a noticable difference with the indicator applets background. A bigger problem with Ambiance is that the text on the switcher is almost unreadable. With Radience, everything works well. It just looks slightly unpolished.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to start an Experience Team for this effort?

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Jeremy Bicha

Jeremy Bicha — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:02:29 +0000

Indicator support for GNOME panel 3 finally landed a few days ago, so that part is new. I ran gnome-panel in Precise most of the weekend without crashes so I’m not sure what wasn’t working for you.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Benjamin Kerensa

Benjamin Kerensa — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:40:51 +0000

I could be totally wrong but this isn’t a new development is it? I asked if he would transition it over for Precise a few months ago?

gnome-panel has been failwhaling lately though.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Ubuntu clássico agora com suporte a indicadores « Ubuntu-BR-SC

Ubuntu clássico agora com suporte a indicadores « Ubuntu-BR-SC — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:56:30 +0000

[...] Gould, possibilitou que os indicadores fossem portados para o gnome-panel 3. Com isso, de acordo Jeremy Bicha, membro do time do Ubuntu Desktop, foi possível atualizar o visual do gnome-panel, substituindo a [...]

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Jeremy Bicha

Jeremy Bicha — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:23:55 +0000

gnome-session-fallback depends on gnome-panel and gnome-panel depends on gnome-session-fallback. If you have installed one, you’ll automatically have the other one. The version number of gnome-panel is the important one as “GNOME Classic” is basically gnome-panel.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by bruno revel

bruno revel — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:18:03 +0000

*** Install either gnome-panel or gnome-fallback-session (they both install the same thing in Ubuntu). ****

as i see: gnome-panel is 3.3.5 but gnome-session-fallback is stuck at 3.2.1 only

so g-s-f have not been updated yet, i am right ?
My system use g-s-f as i’m logged as gnome-classic (no compiz/unity), but the two packages are installed; As you said “installed either” does it mean that only g-s-f should be installed ? I does not find comments in synaptic dependencies about possible conflict with gnome-panel.

Comment on Ubuntu Classic, Now With Indicators by Jeremy Bicha

Jeremy Bicha — Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:21:44 +0000

Yes, it’s in the Software Center. Install either gnome-panel or gnome-fallback-session (they both install the same thing in Ubuntu).